diff --git a/core/src/main/java/com/shatteredpixel/shatteredpixeldungeon/items/rings/Ring.java b/core/src/main/java/com/shatteredpixel/shatteredpixeldungeon/items/rings/Ring.java
index 190c3f366..65265d86f 100644
--- a/core/src/main/java/com/shatteredpixel/shatteredpixeldungeon/items/rings/Ring.java
+++ b/core/src/main/java/com/shatteredpixel/shatteredpixeldungeon/items/rings/Ring.java
@@ -105,6 +105,15 @@ public class Ring extends KindofMisc {
 		super();
 		reset();
 	}
+
+	//anonymous rings are always IDed, do not affect ID status,
+	//and their sprite is replaced by a placeholder if they are not known,
+	//useful for items that appear in UIs, or which are only spawned for their effects
+	protected boolean anonymous = false;
+	public void anonymize(){
+		if (!isKnown()) image = ItemSpriteSheet.RING_HOLDER;
+		anonymous = true;
+	}
 	
 	public void reset() {
 		super.reset();
@@ -136,16 +145,18 @@ public class Ring extends KindofMisc {
 	}
 	
 	public boolean isKnown() {
-		return handler != null && handler.isKnown( this );
+		return anonymous || (handler != null && handler.isKnown( this ));
 	}
 	
 	public void setKnown() {
-		if (!isKnown()) {
-			handler.know( this );
-		}
-		
-		if (Dungeon.hero.isAlive()) {
-			Catalog.setSeen(getClass());
+		if (!anonymous) {
+			if (!isKnown()) {
+				handler.know(this);
+			}
+
+			if (Dungeon.hero.isAlive()) {
+				Catalog.setSeen(getClass());
+			}
 		}
 	}
 	
diff --git a/core/src/main/java/com/shatteredpixel/shatteredpixeldungeon/items/weapon/melee/MagesStaff.java b/core/src/main/java/com/shatteredpixel/shatteredpixeldungeon/items/weapon/melee/MagesStaff.java
index 308d7ee7f..7cb783854 100644
--- a/core/src/main/java/com/shatteredpixel/shatteredpixeldungeon/items/weapon/melee/MagesStaff.java
+++ b/core/src/main/java/com/shatteredpixel/shatteredpixeldungeon/items/weapon/melee/MagesStaff.java
@@ -266,7 +266,9 @@ public class MagesStaff extends MeleeWeapon {
 		String info = super.info();
 
 		if (wand == null){
-			info += "\n\n" + Messages.get(this, "no_wand");
+			//FIXME this is removed because of journal stuff, and is generally unused.
+			//perhaps reword to fit in journal better
+			//info += "\n\n" + Messages.get(this, "no_wand");
 		} else {
 			info += "\n\n" + Messages.get(this, "has_wand", Messages.get(wand, "name")) + " " + wand.statsDesc();
 		}
diff --git a/core/src/main/java/com/shatteredpixel/shatteredpixeldungeon/windows/WndJournal.java b/core/src/main/java/com/shatteredpixel/shatteredpixeldungeon/windows/WndJournal.java
index 125ddae9b..88c9cd650 100644
--- a/core/src/main/java/com/shatteredpixel/shatteredpixeldungeon/windows/WndJournal.java
+++ b/core/src/main/java/com/shatteredpixel/shatteredpixeldungeon/windows/WndJournal.java
@@ -25,6 +25,7 @@ import com.shatteredpixel.shatteredpixeldungeon.Dungeon;
 import com.shatteredpixel.shatteredpixeldungeon.SPDSettings;
 import com.shatteredpixel.shatteredpixeldungeon.ShatteredPixelDungeon;
 import com.shatteredpixel.shatteredpixeldungeon.items.Item;
+import com.shatteredpixel.shatteredpixeldungeon.items.armor.ClassArmor;
 import com.shatteredpixel.shatteredpixeldungeon.items.potions.Potion;
 import com.shatteredpixel.shatteredpixeldungeon.items.rings.Ring;
 import com.shatteredpixel.shatteredpixeldungeon.items.scrolls.Scroll;
@@ -680,6 +681,16 @@ public class WndJournal extends WndTabbed {
 				
 				this.item = item;
 				this.seen = seen;
+
+				if ( seen && !IDed ){
+					if (item instanceof Ring){
+						((Ring) item).anonymize();
+					} else if (item instanceof Potion){
+						((Potion) item).anonymize();
+					} else if (item instanceof Scroll){
+						((Scroll) item).anonymize();
+					}
+				}
 				
 				if (!seen) {
 					icon.copy( new ItemSprite( ItemSpriteSheet.SOMETHING + spriteIndexes[currentItemIdx], null) );
@@ -694,8 +705,13 @@ public class WndJournal extends WndTabbed {
 			
 			public boolean onClick( float x, float y ) {
 				if (inside( x, y ) && seen) {
-					GameScene.show(new WndTitledMessage( new Image(icon),
-								Messages.titleCase(item.trueName()), item.desc() ));
+					if (item instanceof ClassArmor){
+						GameScene.show(new WndTitledMessage(new Image(icon),
+								Messages.titleCase(item.trueName()), item.desc()));
+					} else {
+						GameScene.show(new WndTitledMessage(new Image(icon),
+								Messages.titleCase(item.trueName()), item.info()));
+					}
 					return true;
 				} else {
 					return false;